Share it fair, dont take a slice of my pie
Please take a look at this -
http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/dec/14sachar.htm
Listening - Limp Bizkit - My generation
Lord of the Rings 1 soundtrack
Most depressing is the part that all this is said so openly and bluntly, as normal.
Some nice points from the article, and my nicer replies :-)
>> He said Muslims need to find a mechanism to channelise the $50 billion contribution to Indian GDP by Muslims.
Is this a good idea? Whats the difference then, between so-called communals and you who wrongly portray yourselves as secular?To put in very crudely - Goddamn it, if you are going to segregate Muslim contributions to Indian GDP, then you have no right to lay any claim on our contribution, our tax money, most of which has been going down the drain trying to "uplift" you, leaving us deprived of roads, infrastructure, power, educational and health facilities. I am not even going to start about our lives lost due to Islamic terrorism, human rights excesses committed against us.
>> At the time of independence Brahmins made up four per cent in the top level of government service but it became 70 per cent.
Does this imply that in fact Brahmins were suppressed because 1. the Brits favoured Muslims over Hindus (regardless of caste) 2. in return, Muslims were not so active in freedom struggle. Both facts are true. Or you imply, that, the upper castes stopped others from getting jobs and cornered 70% of the government service, up from 4 percent.
>>He warned that Muslims should not demand reservations in such a manner that the ruling party which is in a position to give, gets embarrassed into not giving even what is legitimate.
Yeah yeah, cry in a way so as to not put off the listener. Legitimate? Reservations are totally wrong and immoral.
Also do you realize that you abuse Hindus for practicing inequality and portray "all Muslims are equal". But now you demand reservations on basis of inequality. Hypocrites! By the way, while we have changed a lot in the last 60 years regarding our views about our religion and the world, and discarded many inequalities that existed, you still live in 7th century Arabia. Dont you believe that you are superior to us filthy idolworshipping Hindus. Why do you need reservations then? Do you still think your demands are legitimate? Well, you would. Whatever benefits muslims, the nation may go to the pigs..(ooops..).
>>Article 341 says the President or State after consultation with the governor has the right to specify the castes, races or tribes under Scheduled Castes and Tribes but it also mentions that only Hindus are entitled under this provision. Most Muslims and Christians contend that this is a direct assault on religious freedom.
Arent you satisfied with the minority benefits that you have got. I dont see Sikhs, Jains, Christians going around killing people to extract more benefits. Kitna maang rahe ho, kha kha ke fat jayoge. For your information, why muslims are not included is that muslims dont have any concept of upper or lower castes. Here we are trying to dissolve such relics of the past amongst us, and you actually want them back to apply on yourselves ?? muslims believe in equality of all, dont they?
>>"The Constitution does not stop bifurcating the OBC reservation to help Muslims. It will test the honesty of the Congress-led government," said V P Singh.
Haan beta c***ia, aur tel daal ab aag mein.
>>15 per cent share for Muslims in all government and Public Sector Unit schemes, allocations, dealerships etc. Mandatory 15 per cent bank credit under Priority Lending.
Ok, banks allot credit on the basis of their investment planning and risks. They wont give me a car or home loan of a few lakhs of rupees if I cannot pay an EMI of 5000 per month. They wont give me a loan if I dont have a good business idea or plan. Jerks.. absolute jerks.... such mental masturbation.
>>15 per cent quota in all government-owned, aided, registered and recognised private educational institutions at all levels
Oh yeah, they already have "minority institutions" where over 50% seats are reserved for them, and even after that, rarely does anyone in their right mind likes to go there. Those who do so, do it out of compulsion, not choice. After all, nobody likes to be subjected to daily dose of jihad talk. Going by numerous cases of elopement, harassment and even assault, parents are afraid to send their daughters there. So effectively, its almost totally their "minority institution". Are they willing to reduce their quotas in their own institutions? Guess no. Who is the loser? The ones who have always been on the losing side. I know this is all wrong basically. But let us still consider this - will we be allowed to set up our own kind of "minority institutions" where our people get priority? Hell no, we are secular, arent we.
>>>V P Singh announced that if his newly-floated regional party the Jan Morcha came to power in Uttar Pradesh, "the first decision of the Cabinet within one hour of government formation will be to bifurcate the 27 per cent Other Backward Classes quota among advanced OBCs, the Hindu Most Backward Classes and Muslim backward classes in proportion to their population."
Slice of OBC quota?!! Forget it, OBCs will never agree to this, and as usual, vote bank politics will prevail. They will cut it out of the open category.
>>He also said "the Hindu reaction " can be expected if Muslims ask for their share so the issue of reservation should be raised tactfully.
Yeah, yeah, nice way of saying - Hindus are rioters and trouble makers. Be tactful, bargain carefully.Moreover, sounds like muslims are haggling for a slice of their pie, like they did during Partition.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/dec/14sachar.htm
Listening - Limp Bizkit - My generation
Lord of the Rings 1 soundtrack
Most depressing is the part that all this is said so openly and bluntly, as normal.
Some nice points from the article, and my nicer replies :-)
>> He said Muslims need to find a mechanism to channelise the $50 billion contribution to Indian GDP by Muslims.
Is this a good idea? Whats the difference then, between so-called communals and you who wrongly portray yourselves as secular?To put in very crudely - Goddamn it, if you are going to segregate Muslim contributions to Indian GDP, then you have no right to lay any claim on our contribution, our tax money, most of which has been going down the drain trying to "uplift" you, leaving us deprived of roads, infrastructure, power, educational and health facilities. I am not even going to start about our lives lost due to Islamic terrorism, human rights excesses committed against us.
>> At the time of independence Brahmins made up four per cent in the top level of government service but it became 70 per cent.
Does this imply that in fact Brahmins were suppressed because 1. the Brits favoured Muslims over Hindus (regardless of caste) 2. in return, Muslims were not so active in freedom struggle. Both facts are true. Or you imply, that, the upper castes stopped others from getting jobs and cornered 70% of the government service, up from 4 percent.
>>He warned that Muslims should not demand reservations in such a manner that the ruling party which is in a position to give, gets embarrassed into not giving even what is legitimate.
Yeah yeah, cry in a way so as to not put off the listener. Legitimate? Reservations are totally wrong and immoral.
Also do you realize that you abuse Hindus for practicing inequality and portray "all Muslims are equal". But now you demand reservations on basis of inequality. Hypocrites! By the way, while we have changed a lot in the last 60 years regarding our views about our religion and the world, and discarded many inequalities that existed, you still live in 7th century Arabia. Dont you believe that you are superior to us filthy idolworshipping Hindus. Why do you need reservations then? Do you still think your demands are legitimate? Well, you would. Whatever benefits muslims, the nation may go to the pigs..(ooops..).
>>Article 341 says the President or State after consultation with the governor has the right to specify the castes, races or tribes under Scheduled Castes and Tribes but it also mentions that only Hindus are entitled under this provision. Most Muslims and Christians contend that this is a direct assault on religious freedom.
Arent you satisfied with the minority benefits that you have got. I dont see Sikhs, Jains, Christians going around killing people to extract more benefits. Kitna maang rahe ho, kha kha ke fat jayoge. For your information, why muslims are not included is that muslims dont have any concept of upper or lower castes. Here we are trying to dissolve such relics of the past amongst us, and you actually want them back to apply on yourselves ?? muslims believe in equality of all, dont they?
>>"The Constitution does not stop bifurcating the OBC reservation to help Muslims. It will test the honesty of the Congress-led government," said V P Singh.
Haan beta c***ia, aur tel daal ab aag mein.
>>15 per cent share for Muslims in all government and Public Sector Unit schemes, allocations, dealerships etc. Mandatory 15 per cent bank credit under Priority Lending.
Ok, banks allot credit on the basis of their investment planning and risks. They wont give me a car or home loan of a few lakhs of rupees if I cannot pay an EMI of 5000 per month. They wont give me a loan if I dont have a good business idea or plan. Jerks.. absolute jerks.... such mental masturbation.
>>15 per cent quota in all government-owned, aided, registered and recognised private educational institutions at all levels
Oh yeah, they already have "minority institutions" where over 50% seats are reserved for them, and even after that, rarely does anyone in their right mind likes to go there. Those who do so, do it out of compulsion, not choice. After all, nobody likes to be subjected to daily dose of jihad talk. Going by numerous cases of elopement, harassment and even assault, parents are afraid to send their daughters there. So effectively, its almost totally their "minority institution". Are they willing to reduce their quotas in their own institutions? Guess no. Who is the loser? The ones who have always been on the losing side. I know this is all wrong basically. But let us still consider this - will we be allowed to set up our own kind of "minority institutions" where our people get priority? Hell no, we are secular, arent we.
>>>V P Singh announced that if his newly-floated regional party the Jan Morcha came to power in Uttar Pradesh, "the first decision of the Cabinet within one hour of government formation will be to bifurcate the 27 per cent Other Backward Classes quota among advanced OBCs, the Hindu Most Backward Classes and Muslim backward classes in proportion to their population."
Slice of OBC quota?!! Forget it, OBCs will never agree to this, and as usual, vote bank politics will prevail. They will cut it out of the open category.
>>He also said "the Hindu reaction " can be expected if Muslims ask for their share so the issue of reservation should be raised tactfully.
Yeah, yeah, nice way of saying - Hindus are rioters and trouble makers. Be tactful, bargain carefully.Moreover, sounds like muslims are haggling for a slice of their pie, like they did during Partition.
posted by In The Shadows at
12/15/2006 06:14:00 AM
6 Comments:
>> At the time of independence Brahmins made up four per cent in the top level of government service but it became 70 per cent.
koi bhi kuch bhi figures fek raha hai...
hey.
been reading your comments at assorted blogs. and, having read this post, must ask a question: don't you ever run out of vitriol?
cheers,
shekhar
Sharan,
LOL :D How true.
Shekhar,
No :) I have a barrels full of supply.
pmgbziMajlis Ittehadul Muslimeen MP Asaduddin Owaisi on Sachar Committee Report in Parliament
ASADUDDIN OWAISI MP (HYDERABAD) : Thank you for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support the Bill that has been tabled in the august House. I have got some important points to bring to the notice of the august House.
The Sachar Committee report has been tabled in this House. It clearly states the educational backwardness of the Muslim community. According to Sachar Report, there are 39 per cent OBCs and 0.8 per cent Scheduled Caste in the Muslim community.
I support this Bill which provides reservation in Central Universities to SCs, STs and OBCs. However, I would like to know as to how fair it is to deny the benefits of reservation on the basis of religion, especially after the Government has tabled the Sachar Report in this august House which shows how bad my educational standards are and my conditions are.
I would just like to quote one point here as far as the report is concerned. Page 73 of Sachar Report clearly says, “The percentage of population of graduates, as far as the Muslims are concerned, is 1.2 and those attending P.G. courses is 16.3.” It is lesser in Muslims than in dalits also. You are not implementing these minority universities over there. But why is it that I am being denied such benefits? Moreover, the Presidential Order of 1950 contravenes the basic fundamental rights given in the Constitution.
How is it that only SCs belonging or professing the religion of Hinduism or Sikhism or neo Buddhism are being given reservation? Why not Dalit Christians and Dalit Muslims? This question has to be pondered over by the Government. I would request you sincerely, Sir, that the Government should come forward and ensure that the 1950 Presidential Order, Schedule III is amended. It says that only a person professing Hinduism or Sikhism or neo Buddhism can be classified as Schedule Caste. How is that possible? This Report of yours clearly says this. There is this argument about Muslims and OBCs. Why is it such a low percentage is there? This has to be looked into.
Lastly, about Jamia Milia University, how is that the present Vice-Chancellor wants to implement this present Bill in Jamia Milia University? Why has the Vice-Chancellor overnight changed this position? Why are we being denied such benefits? I would request you that this issue has to be taken care of. They have applied to the National Minority Education Commission also. It is pending over there. If Jamia Milia University is not a minority University, then, which is a minority university? This is a very important question. These are important points I wanted to bring to the notice of the august House.
I support this Bill. I hope that this UPA Government will take affirmative action and will not deny us reservation under Article 16(4). If people are opposed to reservations to Muslims, they should look into the pre-native history of Article 16(4). It is none other than Sardar Vallabhai Patel, who has stated `classes’ means `Minorities’. He was the Chairman of that Advisory Committee. Why are Muslims having reservations in Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka? Why can they not be given reservations nationwide? It has to be done. Literacy rate of 13 per cent of population is only 59. There is a huge difference between literate and educated persons. You can very well imagine 13 per cent of population with a literacy of 59 per cent. Hence, I would request that the Government should come forward with the proposal and I hope that the hon. Minister, when he stands up to reply would respond to this or this UPA Government has to amend 1950 Presidential Order. They have to take affirmative action under Articles 15(4) and 16(4).
Thank you.
Ali,
Do you have something factual to add.
Regarding your complaint (or your MPs) about why not Dalit Muslims getting quotas - probably your people must have told them that they dont need reservations, since they believe in equality. (You sidestepped this point, what about equality that you profess, you guys say there are no Dalits amongst Muslims, dont ya).
I wont be surprised at all if some mullah comes up and issues a fatwa against reservations, because it is against islamic concept of equality of all. Or not, since muslims stand to gain, they dont bother about anything else, right?
Well, seems like quotas are being distributed at a ration shop, and everyone wants a piece. Haggling and bargaining welcome.
By the way, how is it our fault if muslims form only 1.2 percent of the graduates in the country? Did anyone stop Azim Premji from studying and setting up Wipro? Such a**holes
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